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dunque, come sapete le carte della Cyberdark Impact hanno effetti che riguardano il posizionamento delle carte in campo ed un ...

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Old 02-11-2006, 21:52
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Regole sul posizionamento carte nel Terreno

dunque, come sapete le carte della Cyberdark Impact hanno effetti che riguardano il posizionamento delle carte in campo ed un loro eventuale spostamento... perciò la UDE ha inviato oggi una mail che spiega come ci si deve comportare con queste nuove meccaniche:

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Dear Judges,

It's time to start prepping for the Cyberdark Impact Sneak Preview this weekend, since a number of you will probably be judging.

As some of you may be aware, there are a few cards in CDIP that revolve around the placement of cards on the field. Just so that everyone is clear, I want to elaborate on some of the issues this will bring up.

Let's take the new card Rampaging Rhynos as an example. It has this effect:
"Once per turn, this card can move to an adjacent unoccupied Monster Card Zone. If this card attacks the monster in its same column, this card gains 500 ATK during the Damage Step."

As you're all aware, a game mat in Yu-Gi-Oh! is divided into 5 columns for the Monster Card Zones and for the Spell & Trap Card zones. If Rhynos is in the center column (for example), and attacks a monster in the center column of the opponent,
then he gets his +500 ATK bonus for that attack.

This immediately brings up some questions about where and how cards are played. Since Yu-Gi-Oh! is primarily a fast and fun game, most people don't pay careful attention to where on the field their cards are used. Also, many players don't
use game mats. All of this is fine. We want to keep Yu-Gi-Oh! fast and fun, and we have no interest in forcing people to use game mats. We do, however, expect people to follow a few common sense rules.

1. Please make it clear to your players that they should not be moving cards around on the field, unless the card specifically allows it. (For example, Rhynos can move around using its effect. But Jinzo cannot.)

2. When not using a game mat, cards should be played as if there was an imaginary grid of 5 columns, each 1 card-length wide. In other words, imagine you have 5 Defense Position monsters all turned sideways. Those are your 5 columns. It should be easy to approximate columns this way, even if a game mat isn't used.

3. Let's talk about scrunching. There's a tendency to scrunch your cards together when a hole opens up. For example, I have 3 Defense Position monsters, and you destroy the center one. I have a habit of scrunching my other 2 together so that they're now side-by-side. Please tell your players not to do this. So I have to leave a hole there between my monsters, to represent the vacant Monster Card Zone. (Sorry, scrunchers! I feel your pain.)

4. Where can I play my cards?!?! ANSWER: ANYWHERE YOU WANT. You DON'T have to start on the left and work your way to the right. You DON'T have to start in the middle and then alternate on the sides. You can play your cards into any unoccupied space on your side of the field.

5. What if I remove a monster from play with Interdimensional Matter Transporter? Does it have to go back to the same zone it started in? ANSWER: nope. You can put it in any of your unoccupied Monster Zones.

6. I think the biggest problem will be remembering to put cards back where they came from when players pick them up to read them. Shouldn't be too hard, though.

Now, as to some judging elements:

FIRST, the purpose of a Sneak Preview event is to have fun and to check out the newest cards. It's not a place for cutthroat play. It's not a place for rules-sharking. If anybody requests a penalty to be assigned to their opponent because their opponent innocently moved a card around, we suggest you give a penalty to the requester instead. We have zero tolerance for that kind of behavior. Rules sharking is Unsporting Conduct at best.

SECOND, obviously people who maliciously, deliberately, or repeatedly keep moving their cards around need to be warned to stop doing so. Use your judgment.

THIRD, some people use things like dice to represent the number of Token Monsters they control. Unfortunately this does not allow for any positioning and should be avoided. (Example: placing a single die at 4 after using Scapegoat isn't good. On the other hand, placing FOUR dice on the table in 4 different zones to represent the Sheep might be ok. Even this isn't ideal, because dice don't have a way of indicating Attack Position vs. Defense Position. Using Token Cards or some other
equivalent is best.)

The greatest concentration of these new cards will, of course, be at the Sneak Preview. So you'll likely be dealing with a lot of issues there. But remember that the purpose of the Sneak Preview is to have fun, and remind the players of that,
too.

Your job is to make sure that these cards provide a new and interest experience for players, not a burden.

Thanks,
Kevin Tewart
Senior Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment


in sostanza:

- Non si può spostare una carta da una zona all'altra se non tramite effetti che lo consentono appunto

- Lo "scrunching", cioè la tendenza che hanno alcuni giocatori a spostare una carta una volta che si crea un "buco" (ad esempio, un giocatore ha 3 mostri in fila, gli viene distrutto quello centrale cosi sposta uno di quelli rimasti affianco all'altro) non è consentito; nell'esempio, deve rimanere il buco rappresentato dalla zona carta mostro vuota tra i due mostri

- SI POSSONO POSIZIONARE LE CARTE SUL TERRENO IN QUALSIASI ZONA LIBERA DEL PROPRIO TERRENO; non si è quindi obbligati a partire per esempio da sinistra e procedere verso destra (come in alcuni videogiochi)... inoltre, se un mostro viene temporaneamente rimosso dal terreno (con Teletrasportatore/Interdimensional Matter Transporter per esempio), al suo ritorno questo non deve essere per forza messo nella zona che occupava prima, ma può essere rimesso in qualsiasi zona mostro non occupata sul proprio terreno


spero possa aiutarvi a giocare un po' piu "correttamente"
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Old 02-11-2006, 22:01
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piuttosto barbosa la cosa....
l'abitudine di "coprire" i "buchi" credo sia di tutti i giocatori

lo terrò a mente...mmm
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lo sapevo che si faceva cosi ma nessuno lo ha mai fatto, cmq dove trovi queste informazioni ! io ho provato a contattare la UDE ma non mi rispondono (m********i) (s*****i) , come fai a contattarli?
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è una mail che hanno mandato in lista judge, l'hanno mandata loro a tutti i judge insomma... nemmeno io so come contattarli

cmq lo scrunching non l'ho mai capito... sarà che io ero abituato ai videogiochi (Power of Chaos Rulezzz ) pero appunto io li avrei sempre lasciati i buchi XD
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nn ci imparerà un bel niente questa mail... serve solo a farci fare due cose così, a tal punto ke uno arriverà a giocare col tappetino dei mazzi introduttivi...
cose da pazzi...
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li faranno per qualcosa quei tappetini o no?
uno che li usa sarà mica uno sfigato adesso? -.-
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mmm... si, ma come ho detto presto diventeranno necessari..
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cmq se una ha quelle carte nel mazzo (che nn mi sembrano manco un gran che) basta fare in modo che l'avversario rispetti i posizionamenti, mentre se nn le usi giochi normalmente come facevi prima e la vita continua a scorrere allegramente
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